Addressing the Disc

Addressing the DiscI was practicing my counter airbrushing in high wind the other day and I had an “ah ha!” moment. You see, I have been great at brushing clock in high wind for a while, but only recently have I decided to seriously practice counter in high wind. In the past I was happy to have just enough counter skill so I could control the disc to pass or immediately catch it. More recently, I’ve decided it’s time to master counter. It’s actually quite challenging, but in a different way then when I learned clock. Now when the wind is high – I know I can brush clock all day long and have a blast. But, if I start brushing the disc counter, after two or three brushes, it soon drops or blows away. Maximum frustration.

So, the other day the wind was up past my comfort zone with counter. I decided to “pay my dues” and just keep at it, no matter how frustrating it got. This is what lead me to my “aha!” moment. I found that when the disc was getting away from me, when I had to make my maximum effort to get to it, I’d arrive to a place where I could reach it, but not at a place where I had options to make a save. I was literally putting myself out of position to make the play.

“Why is this, what am I doing wrong?” I asked myself. One of the most important skills I had learned early on was to judge where the disc was going to land, then calculate where I could meet it before it hit the ground, and then run straight to that point. This was the skill I was applying, but it was letting me down.

I had apparently learned a more nuanced skill with clock spin, but not realized it. The spin of the disc changes how the disc flies through the air. More wind makes this even more pronounced. A clock disc will tilt to the left (forcing my body to twist toward the right) and a counter disc will tilt to the right (forcing my body to twist to the left). The tilting of the disc, of course, changes the flight path, but it changes another thing as well: the it’s direction relative to the wind, i.e. where the nose is pointing.

As I pursued the counter spinning disc, I was considering the flight path, but not the disc’s direction to the wind. My muscle memory for clock spin was causing me to arrive at the counter spinning disc with the nose pointing off to my left, leaving me with limited options. I needed to not only meet the disc, but meet it at a place where I had the maximum options for addressing it. In other words, I had to get “behind it”, which is a different place for counter than it is for clock.

Making this adjustment was quite challenging. It was a little like fighting against an instinct. The more I forced it, the easier it got and soon I found options for saving the disc that were not there before. As this adjustment became more natural, I started to see the counter spinning disc falling into the pocket for more catches! This shift in thinking opened up my counter brushing game and gave me a deeper level of insight into freestyle skills.

If you are working on your brushing game, here’s a tip: as you pursue the disc, consider it’s flight path and it’s tilt relative to the wind and run straight to the place that gives you the most options. I call this place “behind the disc.” This way, as you brush it back up into the wind, the nose will be pointing away from you, causing the disc to float out, and then right back to you. 

Need some more airbrushing advice? Here are some great videos and another informative article.

Episode 61: Joey Hudoklin Returns to Describe His Once in a Lifetime Tipping Combo

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  • In Joey’s last episode, he left us hanging with only a brief description of his once in a lifetime tipping combo. Today he gives us the detail we have all been waiting for. It is hard to know how difficult it is because it looks so effortless.
  • Find out who Joey wishes he’d had a chance to compete with.
  • Jake asks Joey about Craig Smith, who was a huge influence on Joey. 
  • Hear what Joey’s most satisfying tournament results were, his favorite routines, who he partnered with, and how the planets aligned.
  • Have you ever cried tears of joy while playing Frisbee?

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Dani Demonstrates How to Attach a Fake Nail with Double Sided Tape

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There are many techniques to applying fake nails for jamming. I usually glue them on with Krazy Glue. In this video, Dani show’s his technique of using double sided tape from Uhu. This is perfect for those who don’t want to or can’t use glue. 

If you’re looking for tips on the equipment needed to get started with Freestyle, check out this article. If you have any questions, leave a comment below, or contact us directly. We’d love to help!

Appendix from Dani: after a couple more years of experience, it is recommended to use a nail-polish block to shine your own nail (until really shiny). That way there is no need for any isopropanol. It’s very fast, more effective and less chemicals on your nails. It holds days, but can still be taken off without harming your own nail (as it can occur with super glue). Perfect for beginners and pros in my opinion. Please share your experience!

Episode 60: John Kirkland and the Harlem Globetrotters

  • Prior to hearing John Kirkland share the time-line of his Frisbee journey in amazing detail, Randy and Jake ask each other if they remember their first tournaments. Jake has pretty good recall; Randy, not as much.
  • John shares a life changing experience when he and Victor Malafronte used to open in front of huge audiences for the Harlem Globetrotters.
  • John cherishes his memory of playing at Madison Square Garden, which turned out to be one of the many pivotal moments of Frisbee becoming a sport.
  • Hear how Randy’s youthful long hair influenced his future.
  • Hear how Jakes hair story is exactly the opposite.
  • Whatever your hair, or lack thereof, let your freak flag fly!

Meet Pablo Azul

Here’s another one of our interviews from back at FPAW 2015. Pablo Azul is an up and coming player from Medellin, Colombia. His love of dance shows in his graceful style. Learn more:

BTW – I heard a rumor that he may be at the Jammers 2018, which we are planning to live stream.

History: Appendix 4: The Delay Story

Nail DelayAlthough tipping the disc got started relatively early in the history of Frisbee play, and preceded the origin of freestyle competition, there is no known historical evidence of the delay move being done in any period of pre or post plastic disc play before mid-1975. The delay came into being only after freestyle competition was born and on its way to becoming a sport. The move came out of the creative crucible of the New York City freestyle scene in the mid 70’s that included Kerry Kollmar, Freddie Haft, Peter Bloeme, Mark Danna, and several other New York players of that era. None of these players were at the very first competitive freestyle event at the 1974 Canadian open. Kerry and Mark Danna were at the 1974 AFDO and were jamming up a storm, but were not seen doing anything remotely like a delay move. Kerry and Mark were also at the 1974 Jersey Jam, and neither one of them hinted at a delay move there either. They also attended the 1975 Octad, and competed in the freestyle event there, but still did not demonstrate any type of delay move.

Kerry and Mark attended the 1975 AFDO tournament as well, and this time Freddie Haft was along with them. It is notable that amidst the constant jamming during the whole weekend of that 1975 AFDO event, no one was observed doing or attempting a delay move, even Freddie Haft or Kerry Kollmar.

However, Freddie Haft did attempt to hold a delay a few times during his routine and succeeding to hold at least one delay attempt for a tad over 3 seconds. Since a delay type move had never been seen before, the response from the spectators was enormous. It was apparent that something new was being seen for the very first time, and all were eager to get out there and try this new thing.

Although the delay move sparked great interest in the other players, it didn’t really catch on with most of the freestylers until the beginning of the 1977 season. In the beginning, it appeared that holding delay over 3 or 4 seconds in duration was nearly impossible, and perhaps this discouraged the veteran freestylers and newcomers alike from spending too much time trying to develop the move. Most everyone except for Richie Smits however. Richie was determined to master the delay, and master it he did.

Richie wasn’t at the 1975 Jersey Jam freestyle event, and no one who was there did any delay work. Everyone seemed to be working hard on multiple tipping instead. The freestylers appeared to be in awe of a new young kid named Erwin Velasquez who had total and complete control of multiple tipping, not only from the usual over the head position, but he was doing something new that we had not seen: multiple underhand tipping below the waist line, all with complete control. That appeared to be the direction that freestyle was headed in at that time. The delay move as displayed by Freddie Haft seemed almost forgotten.

But Richie Smits did attend the 1976 Ann Arbor indoor NAS event, and he brought along with him two new wrinkles, a container of some sort of slippery stuff with which he coated the underside of his disc, and a thimble on his finger. Between the reduction in friction from the slick on the disc, and the further friction reducing thimble, everyone got a renewed look at the delay, which Richie, and Richie alone, was able to do with complete control. He seemed able to delay the disc for as long as it had spin. His move was to receive a throw with heavy zzzzs, let it float down onto his thimble finger, and then hold the delay for 10 to 15 seconds. Everyone was amazed at this new development in freestyle, and ogled Richie’s display. In retrospective irony, an obscure ultimate player showed up at the 1976 Ann Arbor tournament. Being somewhat of a newcomer to the Frisbee scene and not knowing too many players, he needed to find a freestyle partner and hooked up with Richie Smits. This newcomer turned out to have considerable Frisbee skills. With some of Richie’s slippery slick stuff and a little coaching, he soon got the hang of the delay and was also doing it pretty well himself. But it was his superb throwing, catching and multiple tipping skills that caught the eyes of the crowd, many of who were exclaiming “Who is this guy?”  Little did we know what was going to be coming from this new guy, who was competing in his first ever freestyle event. The new guy?  None other than Jens Velasquez!

Because of Richie’s example and his friction reducing methods, players started to take a more serious look at the delay move.

As the 1976 Freestyle season progressed, the delay began to be used by an increasing number of players here and there, but no one displayed the skills and expertise with the move as did Richie and his regular partner freestyle partner Joey Hudoklin. Their mastery of the delay and how it could be used in a freestyle routine was way ahead of the curve.

Despite this growth of the delay move, it still was not universally used by freestylers, and the top two teams of the 1976 WFC Freestyle event were evidence of this. Jen’s and Erwin took first place, nosing out Doug Corea and Dave Marini, the top team throughout the 1976 NAS series. Neither of these top two teams used the delay move as part of their freestyle routines all season long, opting instead for the tried and true multiple tipping.

But as the 1977 season rolled around, the delay had become a widely popular part of jamming, and soon became an integral part of freestyle competition in general.

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Thanks to the Freestyle Players Association (FPA) for sharing this information with FrisbeeGuru.com.

The entire document is stored on FreestyleDisc.org, as is the FPA’s Hall of Fame.

Episode 59: Interviews with the Winners of Frisbeer 2018

Frisbeer Cup LogoIn this episode, we had a chance to talk to the from Frisbeer Cup 2018. You can see all the routines here.

Coop
Clay Collerà, Marco Prati, Andrea Sarti, Rank: 1, Points: 5155.6

Challenger
Eitan Rei Koren, Yuval Reikoren, Rank: 1, Points: 2929.6

Mixed
Manuel Cesari, Ilka Simon, Rank: 1, Points: 3597.5

Women
Ilka SimonJuliana Korver, Rank: 1, Points: 3136.8

Open
Jakub Kostel, Ryan Young, Rank: 1, Points: 3796.2

Poll: What is Your Impression of the Dial Judging System?

If you haven’t already heard, Frisbeer 2018 used a judging system where the judges input their scores in real-time using a dial. Now that it’s over, I thought it would be interesting to hear people’s impressions of the “Dial System“. The answers to this poll are meant to cover 4 groups: those who were are at Frisbeer, those who watched the stream, those who have heard about the dial system but who don’t have experience with it yet, and those who have no idea what it is (this interview explains it). Please read the answers carefully to select your group.

Also, you are invited to share more detailed impressions in the comments below.

 

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